M1MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PEARO, SECONDED BY BIES TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
moved by Commissioner Pearo, seconded by Bies
- YChair Ames
- YCarlson
- YBies
- YHaapala
- YJorgenson
- YPearo
- ·Lewis
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2023-09-26
Agenda
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What was on the agenda.
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The Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval with conditions for the Moan shed variance, the Thompson porch variance, and the Paone/VonDelinde temporary outdoor storage IUP, then tabled the septic ordinance discussion to October 24.
8 items as recorded in the packet and minutes.
CALLCall to order, pledge of allegiance, and roll call
The meeting was called to order, the pledge was recited, and roll call was taken.
Call to order, pledge, and roll call were completed.
AApprove/amend tonight's meeting agenda
Approve or amend the September 26, 2023 meeting agenda.
The agenda was approved 6-0 before Commissioner Lewis entered the meeting.
1Public Hearing: Accessory Building Variance, 7700 188th Lane NW
Public hearing and recommendation on a variance to allow a 3,200-square-foot accessory building in the front yard of an existing developed residential property at 7700 188th Lane NW, PID 33-33-25-21-0011.
The Planning and Zoning Commission approved the findings and recommendation with conditions for City Council consideration.
2Public Hearing: Front Porch Variance, 8766 Norris Lake Road
Public hearing and recommendation on a variance to allow a covered front porch addition to extend six feet closer to Norris Lake Road at 8766 Norris Lake Road, PID 08-33-25-32-0008.
The Planning and Zoning Commission approved the findings and recommendation with conditions for City Council consideration; the minutes' motion text calls it an accessory building variance, though the item is the front porch variance.
3Public Hearing: Interim Use Permit, 7411 181st Avenue NW
Public hearing and recommendation on an interim use permit to allow temporary outside storage of a landscape contractor's vehicles, materials, and equipment at 7411 181st Avenue NW, PID 33-33-25-43-0011.
The Planning and Zoning Commission approved the amended findings and recommendations by a 6-1 vote for City Council consideration.
4Discussion, Continued: Subsurface Sewage Treatment System Ordinance
Continued discussion of proposed changes to the City's subsurface sewage treatment system ordinance, including maintenance and updates to reflect Minnesota 7080 rules.
The item was tabled until the October 24 meeting due to time.
UPCOMINGUpcoming Projects
Upcoming projects listed on the agenda and discussed while waiting for the 7:30 public hearing.
The Commission discussed upcoming projects while waiting for the scheduled 7:30 public hearing.
ADJAdjournment
Motion to adjourn.
The meeting adjourned at 9:08 p.m.
What this meeting did about specific topics, organized by issue rather than by document.
Moan accessory building variance
The Commission held the public hearing for Eric and Kristin Moan's request to place a 3,200-square-foot pole shed in the code-defined front yard at 7700 188th Lane NW. Planner Stockman explained that the lot's corner configuration makes the Xenolith Street side the technical front yard even though the house faces 188th Lane, and she recommended approval with conditions. No public opposition was recorded, and the Commission voted 7-0 to approve the findings and recommendation with conditions for City Council action.
Agenda: 1. Motions: M2. Speakers: Planner Stockman, Chair Ames, Commissioner Bies, Commissioner Haapala, Jorgensen.
Thompson front porch variance
The Commission held the public hearing for Shawn Thompson's request to add a six-foot-deep covered front porch to the legally nonconforming house at 8766 Norris Lake Road. Planner Stockman described the old house, the reduced road setback, drainage work on the property, and the staff recommendation. No public opposition was recorded, and the Commission voted 7-0 to approve the findings and recommendation with conditions for City Council action.
Agenda: 2. Motions: M3. Speakers: Planner Stockman, Chair Ames, Commissioner Bies, Pearo.
Paone VonDelinde interim use permit for outdoor contractor storage
The Commission held a lengthy public hearing on Sharon Paone and John VonDelinde's interim use permit request for temporary outdoor storage of landscape business vehicles, trailers, containers, and equipment at 7411 181st Avenue NW. Neighbors objected to noise, views, containers, unlicensed vehicles, and the residential setting; the lessee said the storage was temporary, tied partly to pending title and litigation issues, and could be reduced. The Commission amended the findings and recommendations, including limits on the storage area and items, and voted 6-1, with Commissioner Bies opposed, to recommend approval of the amended interim use permit.
Agenda: 3. Motions: M4. Speakers: Planner Stockman, Lessee, Mayor Pilon, Carolyn Olson, Tony Howard, Skip Harnell, Chair Ames, Commissioner Pearo, Commissioner Bies, Commissioner Haapala.
Subsurface sewage treatment system ordinance update
The agenda included continued discussion of changes to the City septic ordinance to address maintenance and Minnesota 7080 rule updates, but the Commission did not reach the item because of time. The minutes state that the item was tabled until the October 24 meeting.
Agenda: 4. Speakers: Planner Stockman, Chair Ames.
Upcoming planning projects
While waiting for the scheduled 7:30 public hearing, Planner Stockman reviewed upcoming work, including landscaping, fencing and screening ordinance updates, Leistico and Gustafson subdivisions, a Krogstad home-business IUP, and an Amborn property proposal involving assisted living and subdivision. Mayor Pilon cautioned that an ordinance change for assisted living would apply citywide to properties meeting the criteria, not only to the applicant's property.
Agenda: UPCOMING. Speakers: Planner Stockman, Mayor Pilon.
5 motions on the record. Split votes are highlighted.
M1MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PEARO, SECONDED BY BIES TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
moved by Commissioner Pearo, seconded by Bies
M2MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAAPALA, SECONDED BY JORGENSEN TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS & RECOMMENDATION ACCESSORY BUILDING VARIANCE WITH CONDITIONS
moved by Commissioner Haapala, seconded by Jorgensen
M3MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BIES, SECONDED BY PEARO TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS & RECOMMENDATION ACCESSORY BUILDING VARIANCE WITH CONDITIONS
moved by Commissioner Bies, seconded by Pearo
M4MOTION BY CHAIR AMES, SECONDED BY HAAPALA TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS & RECOMMENDATIONS APPROVING AN INTERIUM USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AS AMENDED.
moved by Chair Ames, seconded by Haapala
M5MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BIES, SECOND BY JORGENSEN TO ADJOURN.
moved by Commissioner Bies, seconded by Jorgensen
Each figure links back to the document it came from. When the council voted on the amount, the motion is shown.
Moan variance base fee
Base fee for the Moan variance application at 7700 188th Lane NW.
fee · Moan variance application · FY 2023
$200
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Moan variance escrow
Escrow required for the Moan variance application at 7700 188th Lane NW.
fee · Moan variance application · FY 2023
$1,000
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Moan variance public hearing fee
Public hearing fee for the Moan variance application at 7700 188th Lane NW.
fee · Moan variance application · FY 2023
$250
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Moan variance recording fee
Recording fee for the Moan variance application at 7700 188th Lane NW.
fee · Moan variance application · FY 2023
$46
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Moan variance total due
Total amount due for the Moan variance application at 7700 188th Lane NW.
fee · Moan variance application · FY 2023
$1,496
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Thompson variance base fee
Base fee for the Thompson variance application at 8766 Norris Lake Road NW.
fee · Thompson variance application · FY 2023
$200
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Thompson variance escrow
Escrow required for the Thompson variance application at 8766 Norris Lake Road NW.
fee · Thompson variance application · FY 2023
$1,000
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Thompson variance public hearing fee
Public hearing fee for the Thompson variance application at 8766 Norris Lake Road NW.
fee · Thompson variance application · FY 2023
$250
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Thompson variance recording fee
Recording fee for the Thompson variance application at 8766 Norris Lake Road NW.
fee · Thompson variance application · FY 2023
$46
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Thompson variance total due and paid
Total amount due and paid for the Thompson variance application at 8766 Norris Lake Road NW.
fee · Thompson variance application · FY 2023
$1,496
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Paone VonDelinde IUP base fee
Base fee for the interim use permit application for 7411 181st Avenue NW.
fee · Paone VonDelinde IUP application · FY 2023
$200
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Paone VonDelinde IUP escrow
Escrow required for the interim use permit application for 7411 181st Avenue NW.
fee · Paone VonDelinde IUP application · FY 2023
$1,000
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Paone VonDelinde IUP public hearing fee
Public hearing fee for the interim use permit application for 7411 181st Avenue NW.
fee · Paone VonDelinde IUP application · FY 2023
$250
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Paone VonDelinde IUP recording fee
Recording fee for the interim use permit application for 7411 181st Avenue NW.
fee · Paone VonDelinde IUP application · FY 2023
$46
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Paone VonDelinde IUP total due and paid
Total amount due and paid for the interim use permit application for 7411 181st Avenue NW.
fee · Paone VonDelinde IUP application · FY 2023
$1,496
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
Paone VonDelinde IUP credit card charge
Credit card charge shown for the interim use permit application for 7411 181st Avenue NW.
fee · Paone VonDelinde IUP application · FY 2023
$1,535.64
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Council approval status: not yet on record.
When someone tried to remember earlier business, we cross-reference the corpus and write a short related-history note.
Note that the neighbor across Xenolith Street has a shed that was approved prior to 2005 in a comparable location. It is possible that older City Codes varied in the definition of 'front yard' or that the placement was overlooked by previous building officials because it seems very logical.
— Planner Stockman
What this is about
A comparable shed near the Moan property that may have been allowed under older rules or overlooked before 2005.
The records I searched do not contain a prior decision matching this recollection. The search results did not show an approval for a shed across Xenolith Street, a Moan property item, or any pre-2005 building/zoning decision about a comparable shed location. The results returned were from 2026 packets and appear unrelated, covering items such as home occupation standards, flag lot standards for Palomino Estates, and a road crack-sealing proposal. They do not document whether an older shed was approved under prior code definitions or overlooked by building officials.
The leasing of space for a home business has not been allowed since the City was Burns Township. All known applications in the past have involved the leasing of building space, not outdoor storage space, although 'space' is not defined in the City Code.
— Planner Stockman
What this is about
Past practice on leasing space for home businesses when Nowthen was Burns Township, relevant to the Paone/VonDelinde IUP.
The records I searched do not contain a prior decision or documented past practice matching this recollection about Burns Township/Nowthen not allowing leased space for home businesses, or distinguishing leased building space from outdoor storage space for home-business IUPs. The search results returned unrelated 2026 packet items, including public safety reports, liquor license and legal-services resolutions, festival and farmers market materials, and one biographical reference to service on the Burns Township Planning & Zoning Commission. None of the results document earlier applications, approvals, denials, or code interpretations relevant to the Paone/VonDelinde IUP issue.
and that used to be the old George damn place yeah awesome people don't remember that but anyway uh if there's no more questions
— Chair Ames
What this is about
A recollection that the Thompson property used to be the old George place and had dairy farm history.
The records I searched contain a partial match for the Thompson property, but not for the “old George place” or dairy-farm history recollection. At the July 27, 2021 Planning & Zoning Commission meeting, Shawn Thompson requested an Interim Use Permit for 8766 Norris Lake Road to allow storage for his home business, Jump City Inflatables, on a 15.83-acre property. The discussion described existing and planned storage buildings, screening from the road, employee parking, and a possible future wedding-venue request, but the records shown do not mention the property previously being the George place or having dairy farm history. The other “George” references in the search results are about Lake George water quality and wetlands, not a prior owner or farm history for the Thompson property. The records I searched do not contain a prior decision or discussion confirming that recollection.
this is coming through as a request from him it's only about property the entire state which is similar to what we had down in the southwest corner there that people are asking for a change but that anybody with Metro same conditions would have important property and more commercial if we change that from what we have this could apply everything
— Mayor Pilon
What this is about
A prior ordinance-change discussion in the southwest corner was recalled as a caution that applicant-driven ordinance changes can apply more broadly.
The records I searched do not contain a prior ordinance-change discussion matching Mayor Pilon’s recollection about the “southwest corner” and the caution that an applicant-driven change could apply citywide. The closest matches are unrelated: the March 10, 2026 packet includes legal descriptions for property in the Southwest Quarter of the Northwest Quarter of Section 10 near Pinnaker Road NW and a proposed roadway easement, and it also includes a fee-schedule ordinance. Those records do not show a land-use ordinance change request, a discussion about broader citywide applicability, or a formal vote on the issue Mayor Pilon described.
one or two older uh conditional use permits for many years ago where buildings released so it was probably ear to that but because space is not defined um you know that that complicates it
— Planner Stockman
What this is about
Prior older conditional use permits for leased buildings were recalled during discussion of whether the IUP ordinance meant indoor space rather than outdoor storage.
The records I searched do not contain a prior older conditional use permit matching the recollection of “leased buildings” being discussed or approved years ago. The closest related records are from the 2026 cannabis interim use permit materials. In the March 24, 2026 packet and again in the April 14, 2026 meeting packet, the proposed conditions allowed use of an existing brown shed and required all business materials, equipment, and parts to be stored in the accessory structure, with “no outside storage” permitted. Those records relate to the indoor-versus-outdoor storage issue, but they do not document the older CUP example Planner Stockman was trying to recall.
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Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting — Agenda Packet (2023-09-26)
Packet · 2023-09-26
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Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting — Minutes (2023-09-26)
Minutes · 2023-09-26
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Meeting recording
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